Not this shit again.
May. 9th, 2012 09:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
vulgarweedWell, it's got a different flavor this time, anyway. So there's Good Omens casting wank erupting on Tumblr. Terry and Neil, oh dear...now, when Sir Terry tossed up the idea of Benedict Cumberbatch playing Aziraphale AS HE DID, my mind immediately made me feel like a terrible person for thinking that maybe his illness had something to do with it, because LOLWUT? Turns out Neil agrees with him. Bad enough, right?
I'm not the only person who thinks that might be a casting suggestion that's even worse than the Robin Williams idea floated 15 years ago, which is saying a great deal.* But some fans really like it, and there's a fanmade dreamcasting poster floating around. Which Neil reblogged. Fan firmly on the HELL NO side flips out and calls Neil a dick. Other fans flip out all over that fan. This could fizzle or this could escalate...either way, I want no part of it, but keeping my big mouth shut isn't one of those talents I can always rely on.
* This isn't me being a hater. I love Benedict Cumberbatch. But I certainly don't love him for his Aziraphale-like qualities, because he has none whatsoever. Now Martin Freeman, on the other hand...
In other news, I continue to not give a shit about The Avengers. I might go see it eventually if I have to get out of the apartment for a while, but I'm not feeling a lot of excitement about it.
ETA: Aaaaaaannnd...now Fandom Secrets is in on the act. Never underestimate the power of a terrible idea whose time has come!
I'm not the only person who thinks that might be a casting suggestion that's even worse than the Robin Williams idea floated 15 years ago, which is saying a great deal.* But some fans really like it, and there's a fanmade dreamcasting poster floating around. Which Neil reblogged. Fan firmly on the HELL NO side flips out and calls Neil a dick. Other fans flip out all over that fan. This could fizzle or this could escalate...either way, I want no part of it, but keeping my big mouth shut isn't one of those talents I can always rely on.
* This isn't me being a hater. I love Benedict Cumberbatch. But I certainly don't love him for his Aziraphale-like qualities, because he has none whatsoever. Now Martin Freeman, on the other hand...
In other news, I continue to not give a shit about The Avengers. I might go see it eventually if I have to get out of the apartment for a while, but I'm not feeling a lot of excitement about it.
ETA: Aaaaaaannnd...now Fandom Secrets is in on the act. Never underestimate the power of a terrible idea whose time has come!
![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 03:08 am (UTC)I like my Aziraphale middle-aged, thank you very much. XD
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 03:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 05:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 11:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 12:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 01:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 06:58 am (UTC)Personally, I feel that the main reason Benedict couldn't pull of Aziraphale the way I picture him is because Aziraphale's actor's cheekbones shouldn't conflict with Crowley's, for one thing. And Benedict's... definitely would? I mean, his cheebones are already mentioned in Sherlock. Who in the world could they find for Crowley that would beat his? The show would have TOO MANY GOOD CHEEKBONES. XD
Martin Freeman, though, yes, I can totally see that.
I dunno, it's not like I don't care about who is cast, but I guess I don't care enough to freak out about it at this stage, and I don't understand the people that... are? Eh, I just feel kind of dumb for not understanding why it's such a big deal that someone would actually publicly insult the writers over it? *facepalm* I want no part of that drama.
I should have known there would be some sort of fandom wank somewhere around this fandom; having not ever run into any for Good Omens was too good to last, I guess. Not that I love it any less because of this...
/two cents
Going back to my corner now. 9_9
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 11:50 pm (UTC)This is OLD-SCHOOL GO fandom wank. It comes around again on the gee-tar every few years or months, and has done as long as there's been an internet fandom, which is many years now. The movie talk tag at
As to actually insulting the writers over it, that's just ridiculous. Someone's a little overly-invested. (Well, we're all overly-invested, it's fandom, but that person was in such an unpleasant way.)
no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 01:56 am (UTC)Ah, well, I guess if it goes back that far, it was only a matter of time before it resurfaced again. I suppose I'm just so used to seeing wank in other fandoms over other meaningless things that I really wasn't expecting it for something like fancasting-- I mean, people aren't even annoyed over something that has happened, yet, in terms of the casting, because nothing has happened yet. It boggles the mind that people are legitimately angry over other people's what-ifs.
And not only insulting the writer, but actually replying to the author so they can see it so it's not just some random ranting, sheesh, what even? Doesn't compute. I mean, what would Aziraphale and Crowley think, seriously, for shame. XD
Ah, well. I suppose we can all look forward to even more wank when casting has actually happened, in which case... it still won't be enough to harsh my squee, so hah. \o/
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 07:36 am (UTC)Also, I think Martin is too... well ordinary. An angel should be just a bit different
I'm with Pterry! Cumberbatch is the better actor, and could give Az an edge.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 11:53 pm (UTC)I think that, uglied up some, BC could make a dynamic, sexy, and terrifying Hastur.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 11:57 pm (UTC)How about Toby Stephens somwhere in there? Oooh actually I know- Jason Isaacs. he can do nice and ordinary very well, adn then turn on Different
no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 12:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 01:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 11:54 pm (UTC)No, fancastings never happen. Probably because fancastings tend to involve currently very trendy actors whose dance cards are already full for the next half-decade.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 09:29 pm (UTC)But all that said, I withhold judgment until I see it. Sherlock doesn't hold with preconceived notions... ;)
no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 12:04 am (UTC)I think the problem I have with fancasting in general is that it tends to involve current It Guys who are already associated in fandom's mind with other massively iconic characters. (This same poster posited Tom Hiddleston for Crowley) And that's exactly the reason I never really want any current It Guys, particularly ones I don't think are physically suited at all.
I don't think I've ever had an experience where an actor made me forget my mental image from the book, at least of a character I cared enough about to form a strong mental image of. My mental Snape still looks nothing like Alan Rickman when I'm reading about him. My mental Frodo doesn't resemble Elijah Wood at all either. And I loved both those performances, it wasn't that they weren't good.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-10 10:54 pm (UTC)To me BC would make the perfect Crowley and MF Aziraphale.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 12:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 12:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 02:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 01:02 am (UTC)However... if they become influential in this casting choice, then it makes him a liar. And I will lose a fair amount of respect.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 03:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-11 04:48 pm (UTC)I think I missed the name-calling. Yes, that would be going too far.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-12 07:56 pm (UTC)Of course some fangirls are going insane with desire for this. More than one person believes the casting is now set in stone for Aziraphale and Crowley (of course when the squees include the name "Zira" I tune out quickly). I am so very, very eager for these speculations to be dashed and someone truly appropriate to actually be announced. And for people to STOP mentioning either author as being the ones to do the casting, since they PROMISED they wouldn't.
Getting tired of the Supernatural crossover squee, and I despair of those who would never have found the book BUT through the show. *siiiiigh* It doesn't fit in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT, you guys.
(Though I stringently avoid fandomsecrets, I checked your link this time and was pleasantly surprised at the overall distaste for such casting. One person suggested Eric Idle as Aziraphale, and my god, right now I could actually see that working.)
no subject
Date: 2012-05-13 01:01 am (UTC)Mark Sheppard as GO!Crowley? Hell no, not ever, not in this universe. But I did make a comment on the GO casting thread at the
My dreamcasting? Cumberbatch and Sheppard = Hastur and Ligur. Tell me you can't see it!
no subject
Date: 2012-05-13 03:06 am (UTC)Sad, I never wanted to speculate on any of this crap before. Now... it's coming whether I want it or not so I might as well. Sort of fatalistic, hah.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-16 05:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-13 01:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-13 07:29 am (UTC)Back to my reason for originally posting- I am saddened both by the whining going on in the tag on tumblr but mostly that the authors of my favorite book saw Aziraphale so differently then I did. It makes the tiny chubby bastard Aziraphale living is my head feel slightly invalided for some reason. I will be plenty happy to just watch the mini-series whenever that ends up happening but I'll be extra pleased if he is at least older because so rarely do older or chubby people get to be main-ish characters and badasses so it would be a nice change of pace that way.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-14 07:38 am (UTC)Actually I don't care what they look like. If an actor is good enough it doesn't matter. Sean Bean looked nothing like any description of Boromir in LOTR but he got the personality absolutely correct.
And long ago I saw Ian McKellen do Juliet's death scene in a theatre-full of people struck utterly silent, except for the ones who were crying.
no subject
Date: 2012-05-25 12:15 am (UTC)Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person that thinks, 'Hm, this person can act--I'm interested to see how they would approach this!'
I don't have any strong feelings either way about it though. I really don't get wank about this sort of thing
Altho if there's any objection I have it would def have to be potentially out-cheekboning Crowley which as I type it I realize sounds kinda dirty
I totes agree with you about Kenneth Branagh. I don't even have a dreamcast Crowley, probably because I have such a clear picture in my head. I have several very painstakingly sculpted Sim versions, though!
no subject
Date: 2012-05-25 12:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-27 03:27 pm (UTC)*headdesks so fucking hard*
At this point, I think I wouldn't be happy with anyone less than Tom Hiddleston as Crowley, and as for Aziraphale, I don't know, I've got myself warmed to the idea of somebody like Kenneth Branagh or Colin Firth, so...
No Freeman, no Cumberbatch, please. In either role. Ergh.
no subject
Date: 2012-06-27 07:19 pm (UTC)I'm Team Branagh too. :D
Freeman I could have seen a few years ago. Now, he's just got too many other iconic roles going on at the moment. It's like, dude, no, you're John Watson and Bilbo Baggins, you don't get to be Aziraphale too. It's just too much.
I am kind of smitten with my own mental image of Cumberbatch as Hastur, though.
no subject
Date: 2012-06-27 07:21 pm (UTC)Yeah, Freeman's well past the window of time where seeing him in the role would have been cool. Which kind of annoys me, because back when I saw him in Hitchhiker's Guide, I thought, hey, that guy! I see him from time to time, and he's good! I wonder...
But, no. Not now. Just, no :-P
no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 03:22 am (UTC)I did a fancasting (just the angels and demons and Horsepersons) about a month ago and made sure to use the lurkiest picture of him I could find. He looks pretty damn born to lurk, I must say.
I put some trendy fan favorites in there in other roles (Hiddleston, as Famine) but I really don't want anyone who's currently so overexposed and ubiquitous for either Crowley or Aziraphale.
no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 03:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 03:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 03:58 am (UTC)Well, you get my drift. I'd be okay.
(I seriously have NO IDEA what to actually expect when it comes to what the casting will be. Or if it will even actually happen at all. I still kind of hope it doesn't. GO has a history of getting stuck in development hell. Maybe it should stay there.)
no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 04:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-28 04:17 am (UTC)